Good morning and Happy Saturday Community!!!!
For those interested in the UPDATE from Neumi. I will ALWAYS be transparent!!!!! So here is our entire Conversation to date, until they blocked me. Then their Response which was only given to the Members and not Myself.
A post in regards to my Questions put forth to Neumi ( which is below) was sent to me last night by a Member. I find it interesting that The Company never offered any amount of explanation to me but Blocked and Deleted me when I asked if they could guarantee that there was ZERO Nanotechnology, more specifically (Quantum dots/Biosensors) in their products.
They Claim that I have made Assertions (such as those provided below) are absolutely false. I think they are far reaching in an attempt to do damage control, when really all they needed to do was answer my questions. That is right, I asked questions.....and never made any statements. The only statement that was EVER made on my part was.....I found flashing lights in their formulas, (what are they, why are they there).
I'm going to add the definition of what assertion really means and then I'm going to post what my emails said...
as·ser·tion
/əˈsərSH(ə)n/
noun
plural noun: assertions
a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.
My email that went to all Heads and Crown Members of the company.
Good morning.
My name is Kelly and I'm in this organization. I NEED to speak with Steven Scott or whomever is in charge of manufacturing. I have a few questions about why the label wording has changed. Why there is suddenly a patent pending on this product.
This is super important because I do microscopy and have put this under my microscope, I have concerns and I want to give him a chance to explain.
Please contact me ASAP.
Kelly Bacher
As you can see there was ZERO mention of these alleged "assertions"
His Response:
Hi Kelly!
I can assure you our products go through rigorous testing procedures to ensure safety and efficacy. We have a patent pending on our label because, in-fact, its patent pending until we prosecute our patent.
Our label has stayed consistently the same for nearly 2 years. The products are extremely active, as the science is to take nano-nutrients and wrap them in a water envelope.
What are your concerns?
Best,
atr
My Reply:
Hello Aaron.
Thank you so much for your response.
I am concerned with the change in vocabulary used on the revised label. What were the changes that were made to the reformulation? Can you provide me with the patent pending? I am interested in this nano wrap you speak of. Is it water or a lipid micellar delivery system?
The reason I'm asking is I do microscopy and have seen questionable things in this formulation.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Kelly
Aaron's response:
PSS: Someone just sent me a screenshot of a post where you are saying you’ll expose Neumi?! Unfortunate.
(Unfortunately I can not put the entire message here because it has proprietary information in it about how they wrap their nutrients in water and not lipids.)
My reply:
Good morning and Happy Sunday.
Thank you for your response, it is much appreciated. I look forward to that nudge on Monday. I want this cleared up quickly. Yes, I am aware someone has sent you information and that is great. This is THAT important. The Company should be as concerned as myself. I have almost all my Patients on this product and I am carrying guilt should the suspicions be correct. I am happy to hear you say you are disappointed over what the Government has done because my concern is our product has been contaminated.
Just a quick response about your last comment about exposing Neumi if my suspicion is validated. Unfortunate?? So you are suggesting I bury it if it is correct? Now that is nefarious. Wouldn't the Company want this corrected? At any rate yes, if this contamination has happened I will be going Public because I have thousands of people taking this formula and as their Practitioner I am required by law to inform them.
I think it is unfortunate that you think informing everyone is the wrong thing to do. I would think you would be as upset as I am and would want this rectified immediately
Looking forward to your nudge.
Kelly
Aaron's response:
Don’t misunderstand my comment about unfortunate, you’re suggesting I’m putting contaminant in my product. I’m telling you it’s impossible. We control production end to end and tested 4X for safety, efficacy and purity along the way. My previous company ran a 400,000 SF facility and although ours is much smaller, I was educated in the most strict and compliant environment for an FDA approved manufacturer. Same on our side.
Swish was also just run through a battery of tests for us to be compliant with professional sports and their anti doping rules. Clean.
I’ve just received preliminary approval after a year of testing by the Indonesian government. Clean.
So you can see where I will fiercely defend my product.
Happy Sunday to you as well,
atr
My response:
Thank you for your response.
I actually wasn't suggesting anything. I so far have been asking questions and requested to see what the changes were in the formulation and I apologize if it was taken any differently than that.
I never used the word "expose" either. I said I would tell the public, meaning my Patients and discontinue use until it was cleared up. I would think instead of going on the defence, the company would be as concerned as I am. I do not know your process of sourcing materials and even when every precaution is taken it can turn out wrong. I tested all the organic farms from here to Mexico and half of those farms were called out for NOT being organic. Why, because we found evidence of contaminants in their final product.
FDV approval actually means very little to me as I have seen many products go through rigorous testing to only be pulled from the Market years later for toxicity. FDA also approves all of the vaccines and look at what they are finding now. I am not threatening you.... I am trying to get to the bottom of it to HELP you should this be an unknown variable. Many companies source their material from other companies and perhaps a cross contamination happened. It happens more than people realize.
My concerns are this.....
I have found flashing lights in the formulation. I have found the fibers, some are calling plastic polymers or hydrogels in this formulation but not in the older bottles. The Skin spray is also showing vibrant quantum dot activity.
Quantum dots are toxic but I know many companies are using it as a delivery system. I'm wondering if this is what our company is doing. Nano, although usually refers to the size of particles is now a huge red flag for many because of the implications from what was found in our bodies and the recent jab (I refuse to call it a vaccine)
I love this product, actually both products. I have incorporated it into my base protocols. I tell everyone to join and buy. I do not want to stop the use of this hence why all my questions. I managed Nutrition Houses and I had many kinds of products come across my desk for review.....and now with my own Clinic, I scrutinize everything as I have an obligation to make sure my Patients are safe.
In my opinion, Quantum Dots are not safe AT ALL. Is this what was added to the Product that required it to get a new patent? This is what I'm interested in. I have many papers showing how toxic they are to the Human organs if you would like me to forward those to you. I will happily do so.
I would expect nothing less than you valiantly defending your product but I would also expect you and the company to be as concerned when something like this pops up. Are you aware there are Quantum dots in the Products? If so, why are they there. If not, who is responsible?
I am very appreciative for your time and attention to this matter. If I was connecting you to be a threat I would have already "exposed" my findings. I do not work like that, I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt to see what the response is before I ever act. It could be as simple as a process I'm not understanding or maybe the company isn't even aware of something like this being in their product. There is this saying..... "you can't find something in which you are not looking for". Like in our Forensic work..... if you are searching for something that is not in your scope of parameters, you won't find anything.
That is all.
I look forward to hearing from you
Kelly
His Response:
Hi Kelly!
I had a chance to meet with our scientist today and unfortunately I was flat-out running. I’ll send some questions tomorrow.
Best,
atr
My reply:
Thanks, Aaron
I very much appreciate you looking into this!!
Kelly
Followed up with this reply on Wednesday:
Good morning and Happy Wednesday!!!
What did you find out from the Scientists? My Clients are still waiting for an answer and getting pretty antsy.
Wishing you a great day
Kelly
His Reply:
Hi Kelly!
I did speak with the scientists and there just isn’t any way possible it would come from our side. I know it’s a trust issue, but I’ve reached out to a few microscopy specialists and they don’t see anything of that nature.
Here’s what my science people said; all of our ingredients come with a Certificate of Analysis which shows any purity or contamination records. We use those Certificates of Analysis to ensure they are in fact what they say they are. We then test for efficacy and heavy metals. Once clean, we produce. Like I said, once we start production, we are in total control of our formulas. Product is then tested when it completes production, when we prepare to bottle. Once it’s bottled and then sample-lot and batch testing.
We are a small company and we made some marketing changes to our labels, but I can see why you may think there is something being hidden. There is not, fortunately.
I also spoke with our patent attorney and we will not release our patent pending documents. They are sealed until we prosecute the patent, which is to protect the formula.
(some of the details of this reply are missing because of their proprietary ingredients that I agreed not to divulge)
Beyond all of the above, I am as concerned about the government’s mandates and militant policies and agendas as you are. Most of our Members are Patriots and Freedom Fighters. I am as well.
Best,
atr
MY reply:
Thank you for your reply.
Sadly, my questions have not been answered. I am not talking about heavy metals or normal contaminants.
I am talking about quantum dots, which are toxic. So, are you saying your Scientists are prepared to verify there is zero nanotechnology in these formulations?
Do you know what quantum dots are? Or what to look for to verify?
If it is the same Microscopist who took your training and was in your facility, she hasn't bothered looking at these products. Her client came to me for that very reason. She has also contacted the Company.
Please be aware I have video evidence of the quantum dots. So if this is as far as the company is willing to go, I am forced to remove your product and inform my masses to discontinue use. I have an obligation to them and just your word of denial is not proof.
I thank you for your time
Kelly
The next action from the President of the Company was to Block and Delete our conversation. (I saved ALL CORRESPONDENCE)
Then the below ANNOUNCEMENT was made to the Members of the Company.
________________________________________________________________
Dear Neumi Family,
It has come to our attention that there have been recent unfounded and false assertions circulating regarding alleged alterations to our product formulas. We feel it's essential to address these assertions with clarity and reason.
The False Assertions:Assertion
It has been falsely asserted that Neumi has recently modified its product formulas to include dangerous changes, specifically the inclusion of quantum dots.
Answer
Neumi has maintained the same formulas for our products for the past three years, with no alterations to our formula whatsoever. Our products undergo rigorous testing from multiple independent third party testing facilities. No product is ever shipped to a consumer that has not gone through rigorous independent third party testing for both organic and inorganic contaminants, as well as heavy metals.
Edited to Add***** Actually it has been way longer than that because they have many shell Companies all under the umbrealla of BIOTECH NUTRITIONAL SCIENCES, LLC.
Max International, Swish30, and now Neumi.
Assertion
Neumi label changes, such as changing the term from, HydraStat nano-delivery system, to, HydraStat nanotechnology, is somehow a change in our science or technology.
Using the term "nanotechnology" and mentioning patents pending, somehow imply that quantum dots are now part of our formulations.
Edited to Add***** nothing of the sort was said, this was what made my client suspicious which lead her to have it looked at.
Answer
The label change in terminology was not a change in technology, but rather a marketing copy change. We have not changed in any way our HydraStat technology, nor the way we produce our products. HydraStat is both a technology and a delivery system. Which term we use on our label is simply a marketing choice for descriptive clarification. Using the term, “nanotechnology” and including the term “patents pending” are also marketing choices of terminology. The patent process is used to protect our competitive advantages from being used by other companies. Patents don’t hide technology or formulas, by law, they are required to reveal all aspects of new technologies or new formulas.
Assertion
Quantum dots have been added to our formulas.
Edited to Add**** We never claimed this either. I never accused anything or anyone!!! Words matter Folks!!
Answer
Quantum dots have not been added to our products or formulas.
Quantum dots are nanoscale semiconductor particles with specific synthesis requirements involving toxic heavy metals like cadmium, lead, or arsenic. Neumi products contain no such heavy metals, The purported "evidence" presented for these assertions, including microscope images, are not reliable. To find quantum dots in any material, the sample must be first fully dried, and analyzed under controlled protocols using very sophisticated equipment in a laboratory clean room with positive-air, and are not detectable in a liquid, regardless of the power or quality of the microscope used.
Edited to Add***** This particular comment made me laugh right out loud. Because while we were having our back and forth they Claimed they had many Microscopists take a look at the formula and found nothing of the sort. Now they are claiming nothing could be found no matter how powerful the microscope and it must be a DRY material and can not be seen in liquid. Correction - Only UNMODIFIED QUANTUM DOTS tend to be hydrophobic, which precludes their use in stable, water-based Solutions***
The circulated assertions are entirely false.
Our commitment to providing safe, effective, and innovative products remains unwavering, guided by scientific integrity.
For those seeking a rational perspective on quantum dot technology, we recommend the following resource: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EokkhdppgE
In conclusion, we stand by our products and our commitment to honesty, transparency, and scientific excellence. Thank you for your continued trust and support as we navigate these challenges together.
Sincerely,
Neumi
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